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they think they have signed up for. today the administration was pressed on thisful there was a key moment in the call when a reporter tried to get a federal agency to come clean on how many errors they are. the errors are leading to misinformation going to the insurance companies not knowing the identity of many of those who think they have signed up, but, in fact, haven't signed up. the forms are called 834s. listen. >> as the work continues, as we validate numbers and transactions with them, value day to day the assessment of the fixes that have been put in place, we'll definitely report back to you on that progress. and on the numbers over time. >> i plan to report on progress as we have the information. >> right. but i'm asking specifically about errors in the 834s. will you give us a metric
measure of how many 834s the errors are affecting? >> it's the same information, sara. as soon as i can validate numbers we'll report on the progress. >> bob is a former ceo of a group benefits insurer. good the to see you. >> and you this is an important number to know. >> how many people think they have enrolled when they haven't. >> good for sara at the washington post for pressing on that. they don't know is the problem. right now we have missing enrollments out there being called orphans and ghosts. it's a mess. the orphans are the people they have enrollments for but they can't figure it out. ghosts are people the insurance companies haven't received
enrollment for. we know there are lots of ghosts. they have done small sampling and found a high rate of oh errors on that. so it's an incredible mess now. >> there are untold numbers of americans home thinking i'm fine. i went through the hassle. they will find out when they apply for coverage, send kids to the pediatrician in 2014, beginning in january that they don't have coverage. they will find out the hard way. >> it's like when we have a blizzard in washington, d.c. and you can't get out of the airport. everybody says to call and ask if your flight is on time. i feel like the reporter saying to call your insurance company. people have to take care of cancelled policies, trying to enroll.
people should really check to see if they are enrolled. >> that's the administration's answer, apparently to the problem. once again these people who had no idea they were going to lose policies and were promised they would not lose them and have lost them thanks to the law. they didn't want to deal with with it. but they made it through now they may not have coverage. they have to sit on the line with insurance companies trying to find out if their new coverage they never wanted is real. >> yeah. much has been made about how the administration has fixed the website. politics again. they fixed the front end of the website. it was a political embarrassment to them. the back end is a disaster. they can't pay the insurance companies. they haven't built the system to transfer the federal subsidy money yet. they can't do a reconciliation
via the computer because they haven't built the system to figure out if the people that the government thinks are covered are covered on the insurance company site. news has been circulating in the insurance industry in the last day or two that what the government wants to do now is send the insurance companies in hard copy lists of people they think are covered so they can compare to who they have. some is of the insurance companies will have 30, 40, 50,000 people insured. they will have two stacks of paper and they will be expected to do the a manual reconciliation. they have not built the back end of the website. this is like going into a bank business, opening up a bank, taking money, opening checking accounts. you can't send a statement at the end of the month because you haven't built that part yet. >> the president and his team said, hey, health care.gov is
solved, working great. go on and enjoy. >> yeah. and they were saying they had the back end fixed. they were telling people in the call we heard that the 834 problems were fixed. there was one social security bug that they fixed. >> right. >> and 80% of it's fixed. the error rates on enrollments that came through on monday have just as high end error rate as enrollment did three weeks ago. >> so it's not fixed? >> no, no. most of it isn't built in the back end yet. no reconciliation system built in the back end. no ability to transfer premiums to insurance companies. not built yet. no, it's not built. they haven't started building some of it. >> we'll check in with you. >> good seeing you. >> try to get your take on what's happening in the insurance market. obviously the other critical end of the deal. bob, thanks. >> yep. >> tonight, new evidence that one of president obama's central
promises -- another one -- may be in trouble. remember this one? >> if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. if you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. nobody is talking about taking that away from you. [ applause ] >> well, no one was talking about taking it away from you, but it may be happening. on capitol hill, several health care experts testified about a host of challenges, including one doctor who spoke about the shrinking list of medical options available through some of the health care exchanges. listen to this. >> i don't think the full scope of how restrictive the networks have become is fully appreciated. we found a plan in florida with seven pediatricians to service an area with with 270,000
children. in san bernardino county there was a plan where the nearest neurologist was 80 miles away. >> i spent over 20 years taking care of patients. people hurt when they can't get medical care. people's health care is compromised when they can't get medical care. people lose lives when they can't get medical care. this is serious stuff. >> dr. scott gotlieb is a practicing physician, a former senior policy adviser to medicare and medicaid services and a fellow at the american enterprise institute. it's interesting that the medicare and medicaid group, that's who was represented on the conference call we played a portion of. they are saying, hey, don't worry. you're worried for another reason. that's the shrinking network of health care providers. they are actually in the obama care network. explain. >> the plans were certified
without networks in place. they were supposed to review the networks to make sure they were adequate. >> what does that mean? >> they don't know which doctors will be available to the people to sign up for coverage. for the plans that formulated the networks where they know what doctors will be available, on average they are offering access to the number of specialists offered in the older plans being cancelled. it will be harder to get access to a doctor. it will be hard to get access to doctors that you used to go see. if you go outside your network, the coinsurance, the costs to you could be upwards of 100%. you could be paying out of pocket. >> why? >> the amount of money they will pay to off set care outside the restrictive networks is low. on the order of 340r7b9.
so if you go outside your network you can't afford it in a lot of circumstances. >> right. >> you have to stay inside your network. you said one low cost plan had only seven pediatricians in the network to service a county with 260,000 children. that's too many children, too few the physicians. the families trying to get in kids with coverage through the exchange in this county in florida, you're telling me basically will have to make it work with seven pediatricians? >> or you would hope the plans will have doctorses in the networks. a lot of doctors rejected the contracts because they weren't willing to pay the customary rate. again the government waved through the plans to ensure there were adequate network tosser vis the population to sign plans. they just waved them through.
>> this is scary to people. they didn't want to lose plans. once you mess with the doctor-patient relationship people get upset. they like their doctors. they don't want uncle sam in the relationship. they say it's done because it won't be paid for. the group of people we are talking about in large part are people who were told they could keep their plan and doctor and they didn't have to worry about getting messed with. when will we start hearing stories about people and their relationships? >> when people go toing a sesz the health care they signed up for. come january people will find the plans are restrictive. if you sign up for a plan now and try to use it in january and find you can't get access you have until march to droipt and find another.
that's not good news but it is the only way out. >> you have been a critic of the health care law. you have an op-ed you co-author with dr. emmanuel, one of the architects of obama care. despite your differences on the law, apparently you are willing to talk the about it and willing to shoot down myths including which one tomorrow? >> we say we don't think there will be a doctor shortage. a lot of the impending shortage makes assumptions about today's productivity of physicians. there is every reason to believe resource use goes down including the amount of resources it takes to treat will be less because of technology. also doctors have become more productive. you can't make straight line assumptions from today. >> they have to be very productive. thank you. >> thanks.
>> we just spoke about one of the president's most important health care promises. ahead we'll speak with one of the people who helped get president obama elected. how are the promises decided? bill burden is here live on "the kelly file." remember bill? stunning new polling next on america's place in the world. hi honey, did you get e toaster cozy? yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with n fedex one rate, i could ll a box and ship it r one flat rate. so i kn untilt was full. you'd be crazy not to. is tt nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.
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i truly believe that the day i'm inaugurated that the country looks at itself differently and the world looks at america differently. >> that was candidate obama on the campaign trail in 2007. today a poll suggests the country is looking at itself differently but perhaps not in the way he anticipated. it is reported that 53% say the u.s. is global ly less importan and less powerful than ten years ago. these are the worst numbers on this question in 40 years. when they asked in 2004 when president george bush was in office only 20% felt the u.s. was less powerful than a decade earlier. joining me now, alan combs and mike gallagher, a fox news
employee. >> hi, megyn. >> that's dramatic, mike. sit any wonder? syria, benghazi, his disgraceful treatment of the prime minister of israel. there is malaise. people are less confident in this country than ever before. inherent in the numbers are s a decline of patriotism. hard to feel patriotic when we have a shaky world standing right now. the president deserves credit for osama bin laden. that was under his time. >> 53% starting in 2004 so the first few years of the poll reflect the numbers going down in 2004. 53% is twice the number in 2004. that's during the bush administration. >> oh! >> secondly -- >> the views of u.s. global power have fallen to a 40-year
low. >> this is a survey of americans, by the way. if you want to find out how we are regarded around the world, ask people around the world, not americans. >> ask americans how we are regarded around the world. >> we started wars we shouldn't have started. we have people saying you lied to the president. we have people -- >> that's why? wait a minute. wait, wait. you're telling me the reason the perception of global power is because somebody stood up at the state of the union draenaddress yelled "you lied." that's your theory? >> it's part of a narrative. you have a republican party that shuts down the government. we look like fools to the country. >> here is the narrative. blame bush. blame george bush for everything. >> i wasn't talking about bush. he didn't shut down the government. >> you said it started under george bush.
that's where the polls started. when you see the flip flop on syria, the total abdication. >> we should go to war in syria? >> we averted war in syria. >> hold on. >> it's a lack of leadership. the american people aren't stupd. there is no confidence in our ability to lead the world like we used to. >> the question is whether or not we are considered important around the world. as americans weighing in on what the world thinks. the world thinks, ask the world. >> there was a question about compared to the past is the u.s. more respected, less respected or as respected. only 7% believe we are more respected. 70% say we are less respected. >> george bush had in 2004 the same number and he had it in his second term. >> is that your goal for
president obama to do as well as president bush? that's your goal? >> be better. let's compare toyota apples. the same number bush had. >>le if the goal is to be get bether we are going in the opposite direction. >> it was 70% under the bush administration. >> at some point you have to stop. >> where was the criticism? >> eight years into obama, when will you stop blaming bush. >> the same numbers for bush and you didn't say a word. >> it wasn't the same for bush. >> 70%. >> cookies in the green room. >> i'm getting some. >> put that fist down. >> we'll pick it up another time. coming up, a wave of hate crimes put a small liberal arts college on edge. it may not be what it seems. and a woman takes a selfie in front of a would be suicide? and leave a page. like our page and leave a
fall they changed the name of the campus life response team to the bias incident response team. just like that, va sar had a rash of bias incidents. 6 in three months. someone spray painting messages like, tranny, know your place and avoid being the b-word. even using the n-word. the dean of college life sent out a campus e-mail that reads in part, this is unacceptable that members of the community should be able to learn and work in environments free of hurtful expression and behaviors. the dean sent out a notice saying those responsible were found and discovered by the bias response team. what the dean reportedly left out is one of the students behind the messages was on the bias response team.
also was the vice president of student life and is a trans gendered student. the students quit school. the college would only tell us at this point it is a privacy matter regarding students. the college is clearly protecting their privacy. we learned the vice president of student life resign ed and was involved in the va sar college drag show they do every year. megyn? >> thank you. he was on team obama during the birth of the so-called affordable care act. what he's saying now about the president's latest obama care push. bill burton on kwoesz kelly but not the first time with yours truly. this will be interesting after the break. plus, one of the most controversial names in politics jumping in on martin bashir's resignation after his comments about sarah palin. he's out. our panel weighs in. [ coughs, sneezes ]
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for the second day in a row president obama took on the role of insurance salesman in chief promoting obama care. he spoke at the white house youth summit. >> one recent article reported that a surprisingly large number of people are signing up. there is a good reason for that. the law works. most young people without insurance can now get covered for under a hundred bucks a month. >> the president is facing an increasingly tough sell according to a recent cnn poll 53% of americans do not think the president is honest and trustwort trustworthy. bill burton served as national press secretary for the 2008 obama presidential campaign. he's now executive vice
president and managing director of global strategy group. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> this is fun. thanks for coming on the set. >> appreciate you having me. >> there's been discussion about whether the president's newfound assurances ant the law and how it's working and don't worry about the website, get on, it's safe. can be trusted given the trust deficit the polling suggests. can he be believed? should the people believe him? >> first of all, let's start with health care. we are obviously in a period of transition. i think you will see a lot of bumps in the road as we move forward here. >> big bumps. >> the law will work. it's already started to increase. >> very low. there was only one direction the to go. >> a lot of them are 18 to 29. you were probably a straight a student and planned ahead before things were due. >> you keep that rolling. >> a lot of folks will get ready
right before the deadline. that happened in massachusetts. >> get back to what i said. >> on the trust issue. you know, look. this isn't the first time the president is running on a big serious issue, on the auto bailout. people weren't happy about it. it was unpopular. on the bp oil spill. people called it obama's katrina. >> they think he lied. that's different from didn't handle it well, could have been better. >> same thing people said about bp. >> people think he lied about their health care. what's more personalle? >> what we saw from other issues is that in the moment you can't really judge how the american people will view this particular moment. that's why -- >> i'm talking about the current moment. why trust him when the majority of people believe he's not honest and believe he's already lied to them. >> there is no doubt that there's been problems with the health care rollout.
no doubt there will be more problems and people will be mad about things as they all come to be. at the end of the day, i think the president will be judged and the progress he can make on this and other things will be looked at in a longer view than just what some poll says. >> it's not just one poll. there's been multiple polls. >> whatever the polls say. >> you were there. somebody who is an intimate of the president and has been working for him and with him for years. did you have first hand knowledge of discussions about that now infamous line -- if you like your plan, you can keep it, period. >> you know, i remember i would belie brief reporters, work with gibbs. it's something we talk about. you know, what happened here with the plan plan as you reported, there was a regulation changed after the law was passed. as it was getting implemented that changed it and made the
promise a lot less true. >> it made grandfathering go from this to this. >> exactly. to the extent mistakes were made there was a big mistake made in not communicating to the american people that would have an impact. in june, i think it was of 2010. the law was passed in march. in your experience, whose responsibility would it have been to walk into the white house and say, you know, bill, mr. president, you need to know we just did this. it's basically going to gut the promise you have been making. whose responsibility would it have been? >> i'm not sure. >> take a shot. >> there are any number of people who sit with the president. >> sebelius? >> and go over policy issues. >> i know. ultimately would she have been the one who should have done it or did as far as we know. >> i don't know who would have done it. but this should have been clearly articulated.
it was made for a policy reason. the whole system would work better. >> they want to upgrade. robert gibbs, was he your boss? technically. >> more than technically, he was. >> he's been vocal. >> when people get to msnbc, they go straight to the right. >> that's an interesting theory. he's been saying somebody needs to be fired. if you watch, he's expressing exasperation nobody's been fired which he thinks is in the president's and the country's best interest. do you agree? >> i'm a fan of president obama. there are few people who feel more strongly than me. i know robert gibbs does.
the fact that he feels like people let down the president, he's expressing the way he did it. >> what about you? >> i don't feel like i can sit on the outside and say this person or that person or this person ought to get fired. >> i'm asking a different question. as a loyalist to the president, somebody behind the law who worked hard with the team to get it passed do you want to see somebody held accountable for this rollout? >> i can't make the decision whether or not it's best to fire somebody. this lies on the president's shoulders. we can't fire the president. >> so you're saying if anybody should be held accountable it's barack obama. >> absolutely. it's the same thing the president would say. if the president fired someone it won't stop the critics. not like you can fire someone
and turn the page. it would be fire a person, conservatives look for another head, fire a person. you could do it for the rest of the three years. >> aren't you glad it wasn't you? >> i'm glad i wasn't fired, yeah. >> thanks p for being here. the cable news host who launched an ugly attack on sarah palin has resigned. that story isn't done yet. we'll show you why, next. plus president obama had 19 people behind him yesterday during his speech on obama care. who were they and why won't the administration tell us? they are now saying we don't get to know. that's unusual. we'll have more on it when we come back. ♪ who are you. >> i real♪ ♪ i really want to know ♪ who are you ♪ come on, tell me who are you ♪
after weeks of controversy the news broke today that the cable news host who publically attacked sarah palin with words too ugly to repeat is now gone. he's resigned. we are still hearing from msnbc critics who remain unhappy. joining me to discuss it fox news contribute tor david webb. this intro is messed up. he started tea party 365. then bernard whitman, co-host of -- i don't know. it's messed up, bernard. and jedediah beelah. martin bashir is gone. this was after a long time.
not like he made the vile comments which everybody agrees were beyond the pale vile. finally today he resigned. is that enough? >> they couldn't have him be representative of the network. they saw a lot of coverage other networks were doing. i did several segments where i didn't understand how they could get rid of alec baldwin and not martin bashir. this was their effort to stay they were being consistent. >> were they? >> to an extent. if theyed hadn't it wouldn't have gone away for them. this is the way to get out of the news on the issue. >> it's starting to quiet down. >> i'm no fan of sarah palin and disagree with with about everything that comes out of her mouth. but what he said was shameful and disgusting. he had to go. msnbc took too long but at the end of the day he lost his show, his job. that's a clear signal that the network doesn't abide by those types of outbursts nor the
outburst alec baldwin has. >> without getting into specifics there have been a lot of inflammatory things said there. >> bashir has a long track record. this is what he does. he's a bomb thrower. he went beyond the pale. msnbc is not exempt. their guests do this. i went on the network. amazing what they say to you on set. no matter how much they clean it up, it is the viewers. their ratings are in the toilet. alec baldwin had 101,000 viewers, i think. they are simply seeing the fruits of their bad labors. >> not considered good for viewers at home. >> it's bad business. i believe in free speech. if you do bad tv and offensive tv, americans won't watch. >> let's move on on to the next topic. this man almost committed suicide in new york city. a woman went to the scene and
decided it would be a good idea to take a selfie. you take a picture of yourself. apparently she wanted to get the potential suicide on camera. the post snapped this photo as she did it. they reported that's what she was doing and that she made a run for it when they asked for her name. is this what seociety has come to? >> it shows why trash tv is successful. it's self-obsession and promotion. we have become detached from humanity, desensitized. we have the to have more compassion and not say, this is a you won't believe it moment. it's suffering. it's horrible. >> makes me feel bad as a perpendicular and a parent when you see this as opposed to this poor man about to end his life -- which he didn't, by the way. the police intervened and got
him off the bridge. and the knockout game. things are just getting so callous. >> we have a real disconnect. we have separated ourselves. what's between her and her humanity? it's an iphone. i love this stuff. we have become disconnected over decades, not just with the iphone. we walk around with headphones, have video games. i'm not t blaming her for the actions. her friends and family -- and i'm all for putting her picture up there. she made herself a news item. >> wanted to be on camera. >> there were good choices. the word of the year doesn't give you the right to be stupid. >> if she had taken a photo of the man on the bridge without herself in it, it's not great but you could say it's citizen journalism. >> it wasn't about him. it was about her. that's problem.
they don't take a minute to see what's going on around them. it's an all about me culture. as we move forward and young people step away from that realization that they are a part of something and it's not about them, as afford this is to us, the problem will be worst. >> the desensitization of the youth in this country is alarming that they don't look at it and think, this poor man. i'm about to potentially witness the end of a human life. instead they think it is a funny, photo op they can show to their friends. >> they are doing it at funerals. there is a lack of awareness of where you are, appropriateness. >> that's why trying to talk to kids about anti-bullying campaigns, this is what they are up against. they are less aware of the suffering of others. >> put down the phone and open your heart. >> president obama has been coming out on the offensive on obama care this week saying,
forget the critics. we'll tell you about things that work. he stands in front of 19 people yesterday. he talks repeatedly about the people and says out loud to my republican critics who pronounce obama care a failure, i advise them to check with the people here today and the people they represent whose lives have been changed for the better by the affordable c say who they were. the white house didn't release their nails or bios. when pressed for the names, a spokesman for the white house said, you are not getting them. >> mm-hmm. >> why not? >> they are political props, not people. it's about saying these people have been helped by what i have done. it doesn't matter. he could have filled the stage with tons of people who lost insurance thanks to obama care. he obviously didn't do it for a good reason, to promote policy. it's not about the people. he does it repeat lid when he wants to push policy. you see him on a stage with people around him. >> today is different. normally they tell you.
normally they give you the names. if doctors support obama care, okay, i guess you could ask them whether you do or don't. what people have been doing with the health care law is putting on, you know, victims of it and beneficiaries of it with winners and lose rs. he said they were winners. if they are, why can't we know who they are? >> they're not props, they are people. just because you show up to an event with the president i don't know why you have to say my life will be spread out on the cover oh. >> not your life. your name and how you benefitted from the law. >> i have to talk about my health situation? >> if you want it private don't show up at a white house event. >> i don't see why we are talking about this. i thought republicans were concerned about privacy. >> not when they parade out. >> they need to have the details of their private life before the public. >> there is a beautiful way the to do it. don't stand behind the president of the united states as a winner of obama care. >> the nsa could tell you the
names. >> i look forward to that. >> as someone who's stood on stage with presidents, your name, clearance, everything is done before you get up there. the reason not to put them out there is remember the fake doctors with the white coats? imagine that type of effect. the woman in delaware they said saved money and we found out she got hundreds in subsidies, look at these people. for citizen journalists, you know who they are. let's ask what subsidy it took to get them savings at taxpayer expense which is a net-net economic loss. are there people who will be helped somehow by obama care? yes. who is the factor who pays for it? we pay for it. >> you can't have the president say check with the people here today about the obama care success stories and say, but you can't know who they are. unless you tackle them on the way out of the event you don't get to know. >> from the most transparent president who promised days online, you will know what's
going on. [ all speaking at once ] >> you're supposed to look at the screen and say, they look healthy. they look happy. >> if you check later their premiums go up. >> one woman obama touted by name and it turned out she was unhappy. she's on medicaid and so on. >> responsible news organizations should look into this. that's the reporting they don't want. >> 375,000 people went to get on the exchanges -- >> everyone want it is last word but i get it. an 11-year-old was told she couldn't sell mistletoe this season. >> this is the mistletoe girl. this is our production facility. >> she's here live next. i'm very much looking forward toyota. >> i love it. >> on "hannity" at the top of the hour -- >> would you advise anybody to go on that site or would you tell them their personal medical
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